What do you think of that?
Gandalf at Up Pompeii posts this article as is:
Ex BNP members claim asylum in USA
Posted by Gandalf at 22 Jul 2008, 5:31 PM and is filed under uncategorized
I am not sure what to make of this as in today's climate in the Uk anything that anybody says can be classed as a hate crime, it is ver easy to fall foul of this highly vague piece of legislation.
It would appear that two men have been found guilty of committing a hate crime by posting things/articles on their web site.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Racehate-pair-flee-to-US.4291680.jp
Simon Sheppard and Stephen Whittle were arrested, charged and found guilty of said "hate crime"Sheppard, of Brook Street, Selby, was found guilty after a seven-week trial of 11 counts of publishing racially inflammatory written material.
The jury gave unanimous verdicts on nine of the charges on Friday, and returned with two majority verdicts on Monday while Sheppard was absent.
Whittle, of Avenham Lane, Preston, was convicted of five counts of publishing racially inflammatory written material.
These two men then decided to skip bail and flee to America and claim Political asylum.
This is a very sad indictment of this country when members of our population feel the need for the protection of another country. This "race Hate" law is at best very very vague
From the Home Office
Hate crime
Hatred is a strong term that goes beyond simply causing offence or hostility. Hate crime is any criminal offence committed against a person or property that is motivated by an offender's hatred of someone because of their:
race, colour, ethnic origin, nationality or national origins religion gender or gender identity sexual orientation disability
Hate crime can take many forms including: physical attacks – such as physical assault, damage to property, offensive graffiti, neighbour disputes and arson threat of attack – including offensive letters, abusive or obscene telephone calls, groups hanging around to intimidate and unfounded, malicious complaints verbal abuse or insults - offensive leaflets and posters, abusive gestures, dumping of rubbish outside homes or through letterboxes, and bullying at school or in the workplace
Our definition of a hate crime:
Any incident, which constitutes a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person as being motivated by prejudice or hate.
So you see if somebody feels that an action which they may not like and affects them is a hate crime then it is.
Just what did these men write do or say, sadly that is not clear, I have visited the site in question - heretical.com - and although I did not follow every link (there are many) initially I could not see anything that would have constituted a hate crime in my book.
Significantly the men were ex members of the BNP and I cannot help but think this association had a large part to play in the decision making of the court.
So there it is British people claiming asylum in America, how sad is that, what must our government feel, what must the Americans think of Britain if the British are seeking their protection from their own British Government, sad, truly sad
This is another stage in the stifling of the age old freedoms we had, be careful everybody, Big Brother really is here, peace is war, war is peace, the ministry of truth awaits those who dare think otherwise.
Did these guys post threats, or explicit suggestions that someone ought to be done away with? If so, then they deserved their conviction.
But, given the climate of political correctness we have seen coming out of the UK, where toilets in pubic housing have to face away from Mecca, where Muslim men are rewarded welfare payments for their multiple wives, where sniffer dogs have to wear special booties so as not to trample their dogliness on the property of Muslim suspects,
one has to wonder.
Were these men prosecuted for saying bad things about Islam and its more zealous adherents?
I don't like the BNP, but in my opinion, one has the right, as a human being, to be a member of the BNP, and to espouse its views, be they racist or not.
Keep posted. We'll try to learn more.
UPDATED: If anyone wonders why I posted this story (because many here already know I fucking hate the BNP), I'd have to reply that Natasha's comment, and the outrage she expresses says it well. Here's Natasha's comment:
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT BNP IS OR ISN'T,
Hate crimeHatred is a strong term that goes beyond simply causing offence or hostility.
Hate crime is any criminal offence committed against a person or property that is motivated by an offender's hatred of someone because of their:race, colour, ethnic origin, nationality or national origins religion gender or gender identity sexual orientation disability
Hate crime can take many forms including: physical attacks – such as physical assault, damage to property, offensive graffiti, neighbour disputes and arson threat of attack – including offensive letters, abusive or obscene telephone calls, groups hanging around to intimidate and unfounded, malicious complaints verbal abuse or insults - offensive leaflets and posters, abusive gestures, dumping of rubbish outside homes or through letterboxes, and bullying at school or in the workplace
REALLY ENGLAND, THEN YOU ARE GUILTY AS HELL, YOU GOT GENDER HATING, DEATH THREATS MADE EVERY DAY, BY MULSIM FANATICS IN YOUR COUNTRY,
WHO ARE COMMITTING HATE CRIMES BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION,
AND YOU PROSECUTE THE BNP?
what a load of bogus bullshit, seriously,
I'm Furious and everyone here Should be,
so its OK for me to don on a black tent and hold up a sign that says Wait to the next Holocaust in England,
but dare not, dare NOT say Anything in opposition to the NON-BRITS who are in that country BOLDLY DECLARING ALL OUT WAR!!
TREASON--
UK'S GOVERNMENT IS GUILTY OF TREASON,
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS,
I DON'T LIKE NAZI'S EITHER
BUT UK LETS THE WORST FILTH NAZI TYPES SCREAM THEIR BLOOD THREATS EVERY DAMN DAY
HYPOCRITES!!! PONTIUS PILATES
AND DAMN YOU BET I'LL SAY IT,
THEY DESERVE TO HANG,
EVERY DAMN LAST ONE OF THE TRAITORS TO THE CITIZENS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING OVER
INSTEAD THEY ARE HANDING OVER THE COUNTRY TO AN ENEMY THAT WANTS NOTHING BUT HER DESTRUCTION...
THIS ISWAR. IT IS WAR,
NOTHING LESS,
IT IS WAR.
35 comments:
The UK, BNP, and the Modern McCarthyism
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3430
The British people have come to the parting of the ways: either support the BNP, or accept dhimmification and eventual extermination. The Archbishop of Canterbury and senior judges have settled for the latter.
There is no middle ground and no alternative. (C.A. Moron, the opposition Conservative Party leader, is a great supporter of Turkish entry into the EU).
If that's the choice, england is done.
I think you are wrong.
There a lot of room for action without joining scum.
That said...everyone has the right to be an asshole or bigot, AS LONG AS their teaching does not incite others to acts of sedition or violence. In which case, we have Aryan Nation.
Epaminondas,
Your right, as usual. I would say the same thing. Just because the BNP is the enemy of Islam doesn't make them our friends.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT BNP IS OR ISN'T,
Hate crime
Hatred is a strong term that goes beyond simply causing offence or hostility. Hate crime is any criminal offence committed against a person or property that is motivated by an offender's hatred of someone because of their:
race, colour, ethnic origin, nationality or national origins religion gender or gender identity sexual orientation disability
Hate crime can take many forms including: physical attacks – such as physical assault, damage to property, offensive graffiti, neighbour disputes and arson threat of attack – including offensive letters, abusive or obscene telephone calls, groups hanging around to intimidate and unfounded, malicious complaints verbal abuse or insults - offensive leaflets and posters, abusive gestures, dumping of rubbish outside homes or through letterboxes, and bullying at school or in the workplace
REALLY ENGLAND, THEN YOU ARE GUILTY AS HELL, YOU GOT GENDER HATING, DEATH THREATS MADE EVERY DAY, BY MULSIM FANATICS IN YOUR COUNTRY,
WHO ARE COMMITTING HATE CRIMES BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION,
AND YOU PROSECUTE THE BNP?
what a load of bogus bullshit, seriously,
I'm Furious and everyone here Should be,
so its OK for me to don on a black tent and hold up a sign that says Wait to the next Holocaust in England,
but dare not, dare NOT say Anything in opposition to the NON-BRITS who are in that country BOLDLY DECLARING ALL OUT WAR!!
TREASON--UK'S GOVERNMENT IS GUILTY OF TREASON,
NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS,
AND IF THERE AS EVER, EVER, A CALL AND A RIGHT FOR REVOLUTION TO OVERTHROW A GOVERNMENT ENGLAND IS IT BABY,
OH HELL NO, AND THEY'LL DO THE SAME HERE, THE LINES ARE DRAWN PEOPLE,
THATS ALL THERE IS TOO IT.
THINK WHATS WE NEED TO DO FOR ENGLAND IS SEND THEM A COPY OF TOM PAINE,
OR MASS DENOUNCING OF CITIZENSHIP, REFUSAL TO PAY TAX, AND MIGRATE TO AMERICA
AND LET THE UK HAVE THEIR MUSLIMS AND MAY THEY DON THE BURKA ON THE QUEEN AND THROW THAT ARCHBISHOP UNDER THE SWORD BECAUSE HE'S NOTHING BUT A DAMN TRAITOR AND SO IS THE EU.
AND THEN GIVE IT TEN YEARS AND THE MUSLSIMS WILL DRIVE UK INTO THE GROUND, LIKE THEY DO EVERYWHERE ELSE, THEY'LL DRIVE IT TO POVERTY AND MISERY AND DEATH,
I DON'T LIKE NAZI'S EITHER BUT UK LETS THE WORST FILTH NAZI TYPES SCREAM THEIR BLOOD THREATS EVERY DAMN DAY
HYPOCRITES!!! PONTIUS PILATES AND DAMN YOU BET I'LL SAY IT, THEY DESERVE TO HANG,
EVERY DAMN LAST ONE OF THE TRAITORS TO THE CITIZENS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING OVER
INSTEAD THEY ARE HANDING OVER THE COUNTRY TO AN ENEMY THAT WANTS NOTHING BUT HER DESTRUCTION...
THIS IS
WAR.
IT IS WAR, NOTHING LESS, IT IS WAR.
AND BY GOLLY PEOPLE, GET READY BECAUSE TODAY ITS BNP,
TOMORROW, ITS THE MODERATES AND THE MIDDLE GROUND...
STAND AND FIGHT, OR DIE.
I REALLY DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE.
Natasha
Director of WAMI
and to the UN and to the EU and to the Americans who don't like what I say,
SCREW YOU...AND I DO MEAN SCREW YOU...BECAUSE I WON'T BACK DOWN...NOT TO TYRANTS. EVER. AND NETHER SHOULD ANYONE,
HATE CRIMES, TO THE EU AND THE UK GOVERNMENT, YOU ARE THE BIGGEST CRIMINALS OF HATE CRIME THAT THERE EVER WAS...ENGLAND CITIZENS THAT ARE FED UP,
TIME TO GO IRA ON THEIR GODDAMM ASSES...THATS THE IRISH IN ME AND I DO MEAN EVERY WORD OF IT.
YEA THEY ARE NAZI'S, NO DOUBT,
BUT HILARIOUS ISN'T IT,
WHAT THE HELL DO THEY THINK THOSE IMANS ARE WHO SCREAM FOR SHARIA AND DEATH TO ISRAEL ARE?
THEY ONE AND THE SAME,
thats what is so Infuriating about this, the HYPOCRISY,
the ONLY reason the British government is going after the BNP is that they are Probably the ones with the guts enough to actually DO SOMETHING about the Muslim Jihadists Takeover of England,
its not about their concerns for Hate Crimes--just like here in America,
hate crimes is just one of those TOKEN pieces they pull out of their asses when they want to shut someone up, its a token piece to use as a clever shield for POLITICAL PRISONERS,
its TOTALITARIAN AS HELL,
it would be ONE thing, if there were no Clerics in UK daily on their speakers and in the streets demanding Sharia and death to Jews and all the other RACIST FILTH they spew, Then it would be different,
and the TRUTH IS, THE JIHADISTS LOVE GROUPS LIKE NAZIS, THEY HAVE BEEN IN BED WITH NAZI'S SINCE DAY ONE,
its infuriating, so See just how far down the PITs that England has gone, It was bad in the late 80s, its not even the same England anymore,
and Here we have in America a candidate, who hasn't even been elected yet, telling Reporters, Women, that they have to be fully covered in jihab [practically] when they go to not only Jordan but Israel,
if THAT isn't a political statement, oh, and they can't wear Green either, you know cuzz thats the Hamas and Hezbollah Jihad color--never mind that Green is the color of Ireland, thats just One example,
and he's not even President and he's already ORDERING ISLAMIC DRESS...FOR WOMEN JOURNALISTS,
just like the Party of God fanatics have been doing since Hamas took over in Palestine, threatening women journalists that if they don't cover in full drab they'll have their throats cut ear to ear,
and ole Obama is dictating the same--to those 'women he calls 'sweeties',
THAT and his also recent move to have an office of Muslim spokesperson/woman who said,
American women need to know that Muslim women don't want the same things as we do, meaning,
leave them alone, they don't want human rights...I mean,
I'm just FED UP, with Islamists, but I'm more FED UP with the ELITES throwing us to the wolves,
and then telling us to shut up and be submissive to this crap.
Meanwhile, they pull up the hate crimes token card to penalize any who dare criticize, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT--UNTIL THEY ARREST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE MUSLIMS IN ENGLAND WHO HAVE PUBLICLY SAID OR HAVE BEEN RECORDED TO SAY
DEATH TO ISRAEL, DEATH TO JEWS, DEATH TO AMERICA, DEATH TO WOMEN, UNDER SHARIA,
UNTIL THEY ARREST THEM AND CHARGE THEM WITH HATE CRIMES--
THEY ARE GUILTY OF TREASON.
but here's the thing, England, put down the damn booze, seriously, and wake up, and SEE the Take over of your country,
the Imans even declare on Video that Europe will be theirs in no time...
if THATS not a declaration of INVASION AND CONQUEST--WHAT IS??????
WHERE ARE THE REVOLUTIONARIES, SERIOUSLY????
if it has to go underground SO BE IT, THIS IS FREEDOM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, NOT FIGHTING FOR CARROTS,
FOR FREEDOM...OUR LIVES AND OUR CHILDREN'S LIVES,
FREEDOM DOESN'T COME CHEAP OR EASY--AND YOU DON'T KEEP FREEDOM BY BEING NICE EITHER.
England Keep giving to the Islamists, they'll keep insisting more until they have you under their feet,
and then it will be YOU in those death photos, on the ground, and not just women in Afghanistan.
Natasha
Natasha,
That's not entirely true. There are some differences. If the BNP is to be taken seriously they would never support Sharia Law, but that said, we don't want a Fourth Reich either.
In fact if a BNP like organization gains power somewhere in Europe and it is anti-Islam and anti-democracy and racist, don't you think it could be used by the cultural Jihadists? The politically correct accuse anyone critical of Islam of racism. Is it a good idea for people in the anti Jihad movement to reinforced that by associating with real bigots? Not to mention the possible genocide that could result from any modern racist organization gaining power.
Have you seen this documentary?
http://www.janeelliott.com/
"'All whites are racist'"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58426
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Obama_campaign_hires_Muslim_liaison.html?showall
"American women need to understand that what is best for them is not necessarily what is best for Muslim women"
When people wanted to abolish slavery, some people din't thought it was a good thing.
"Advocacy of women's rights in the Muslims world must show sensitivity to local political realities"
When people wanted to abolish slavery, some people din't thought it was a good thing.
DOES IT NOT MATTER THAT WOMEN IN A BURKA CAN'T SYNTETIZE VITAMIN D ?????
More government enforced dhimmitude in Britanistan:
"An £18million mosque which will dwarf everything around it has got the go-ahead – despite objections from 22,000 people.
It had even been turned down by the local authority, but that refusal has now been over-ruled by a Government inspector.
Angry residents say allowing the 65ft tower and dome is simply pandering to the 7,000-strong Muslim community – which makes up just two per cent of the local population.
The vast building in Dudley, West Midlands, will become as visible as the town’s historic castle, built in 1070, and its main Christian church."
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/53513/Should-this-mosque-be-built-here-
Damien,
I'm not supporting the BNP. I don't think Natasha is supporting the BNP.
The point is, unless these guys threatened people with bodily harm, nothing should have happened to them. Muslims threaten us with bodily harm all the time. Nothing happens to them.
And get this, Damien, this is important:
The UK's Tory party and the Labor Party ARE driving the citizenry to turn to the BNP. Because they are not representing their citizens.
And, if disaster strikes because of that, then it is the fault of all those labor and tory parliamentarites who didn't do their job.
They will have blood on their hands.
What do you expect the citizens to do?
If I were them, I'd pick up a pitchfork and a torch and run the Islamomaniacs out of the country.
If the government will not enforce the laws, the people will have to do so.
What other choice is there?
I wait to see what these two BNP guys were actually busted for.
They love the jihad these MFers
They are rising on the WINGS of jihad
They will use it to infiltrate legit organizations
ENTRYISM
they seek beards
beware
Pastorius,
I'm aware that you and Natasha aren't supporting the BNP.
Damien,
You don't have to agree with me, obviously, but it is my opinion that, if things go bad in Europe, then it is the fault of the government. They aren't taking care of the problems.
What do they expect to happen?
Excellent post Pastorius
I cross posted it into my missing links this morning
Pastorius,
I do agree with you, I don't support the BNP either.
@ Pastorious
Hang on. Hang on. I followed that Wikipedia link you gave, and this is what it says:
“On June 8 1999, Sheppard and David Hannam were arrested in Hull for distributing racist election literature on behalf of the British National Party. He was expelled from the BNP the same day.”
So, this man Sheppard was distributing unauthorised pamphlets, which got him arrested and expelled from the BNP. And this happened nine years ago. He now faces another trial for more recent offences.
How did you make a mental association between his current trial and the BNP? Wouldn’t you have expelled him from the BNP nine years ago if you could?
Alan,
Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't noticed that detail.
I got the title from Gandalf at Up Pompeii. I'm guessing he got it from the original article. However, the link he provided is no longer working.
Anyway, my title says "Ex-BNP" members.
Let me be clear, I do not think there is anything about distributing hate literature which violates human rights. I think it falls under free speech.
So, unless something else is proven about these guys, I am supporting them.
LET ME CLARIFY, I CAN'T STAND THE BNP OR THE NAZI'S,
and in my days in far left parties oh, we had our runs in with them, believe me, and they ARE DANGEROUS, kid yourselves not,
so I do want to EMPHASIZE HERE THAT IN NO WAY DO I SUPPORT NAZISM, WHATSOEVER,
my point IS however, and you know I thought about this last night, and I think, well, No, I KNOW,
the is ONE GOOD THING I TOOK, FROM BEING IN FAR LEFT, and I'll share it here...
well, Two things.
First, looking at this politically, the ONLY reason England is going after the BNP using the HATE CRIMES CARD is because,
hear this well, the BNP is a powerful yet VIOLENT CULT DE FORCE, if there was ANY cult de force that could rise up and take on Islam, the Nazi's are it, well, one of the groups, they May agree with the Jihadists when it comes to their Jew hate, BUT--remember something about Nazism,
its Not just fascism, why its important for people to distinguish the Difference between State-clerical fascism [Franco, ex] and nationalist fascism, which can be race base--one country, and then Nazism, which is Purity of race, fascism, in Other words,
if you know Nazi ideology, or race purity, can't recall the damn term they use, IF Hitler would have succeeded in WWII, after all the Jews were done away with, the Nazi's WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED THERE,
so they Share similarities and they will Ally with the Jihadists, like the far left [communists Stalinist/Maoists] do, but one difference even there,
the Nazi's will NOT share power with the Jihadis, the MIM may, because they are stupid enough to convert over, remember the communist ideology or revolutionary movement is centered around materialist dialectics/economy via Marxism with various strains, where as,
Nazi ideology is centered around Race purity, or fascism that Can splinter off in various forms, and they may concur with the Jihadis and with the ARAB race puritanism,
but they wouldn't share power, nor mix race--where as, the Islamists would, look at North Africa, during conquests, Nazi's would in no way Put up with Arab blood mixing with Aryan. I'm putting this simplistically of course but there are Nazi groups all over Russia and I do read their bantering back and forth with the remnant of leftists and centralists and so I have somewhat of a grasp of their ideology Plus their agenda,
AND, the one thing is, the Nazi's, or the BNP, are because they are very similar to the Jihadists in their belief in violence, would not HESITATE FOR ONE MINUTE
to purge England or where ever they are, which ever country, of Islam by Violence if necessary, if they for one minute thought that the Islamists, Especially Somalians [blacks] or other 'impure races' were a Threat to the white race...
see what I'm saying, where as commies well, they look at worker solidarity and that whole dialectic thing so they think that they can ally and then the theocracy will be done away with, not so with Nazi's because with them its all about Race,
and its not just a mental assent but its a belief that they'll Kill for,
so Politically, if [and I do believe it IS deliberate] the UK government/EU is wanting to establish a socialist-Jihadist hegemony to do away with any remnant of privitization beliefs or individual rights, the ONE thing they Don't want in the way,
is Nazi's who would, yes indeed, if they feel threatened enough AND COULD POSSIBLY INCREASE IN THEIR NUMBERS BECAUSE THE NATIVE BRIT IS THREATENED,
RISE UP IN A FORCE OF VIOLENCE THAT WOULD GIVE THE JIHADISTS A WAR THEY WOULDN'T BE SO EASY TO TREAT AS TRIVIAL,
and the Governments KNOW this. The far left is NOT a threat to the Jihadists, especially the far left today, the true hard core commies, are pretty much gone, what you have today in the world is just Stalinists-Maoists NUTCASES CONVERTED OVER TO ISLAM, or Jihadists IN those parties, MIM I know for a fact, especially in Asia,
and the right wing, is not a threat to the Jihadis, especially the West because they aren't accustomed to using the means of Violence, not on the level the Nazi's are,
they Can become that way but by the time they do, they in numbers will be too small, and without leadership, that CULT DE FORCE,
well, look at Sudan, I think thats what we'll wind up with here, and in Europe,
but if the NAZIs are in full force, then Thats something else, because not only are they a cult de force violent wise,
they have the money to back them up, and I mean mega money...for arms, you name it,
and the GOVERNMENTS KNOW IT. So, they are going to go after the Far right and the Nazi groups or in That fact,
ANY NATIONALIST GROUPS, and that includes indigineous peoples too [Native American Indians, for example],
when groups or ethnicities of people Especially with a History of culture/religious beliefs, no matter what they are, feel truly threatened by Islam they will rise up,
but the Nazis are the most powerful so they [gov] want to purge them first, or weaken them to a point where they are not a threat.
And WHILE I CONCUR WITH YOU THAT WE DON'T WANT TO ALLY WITH THE NAZI GROUPS, THE ONE THING WE DO NEED TO DO, AND I AM FULLY CONVINCED OF THIS,
IS TAKE THAT SAME CULT OF FORCE AND GET REVOLUTIONARY WITH IT OR WE WON'T SURVIVE THE ONSLAUGHT OF ISLAMISM,
I AM TOTALLY CONVINCED OF THAT.
and which Leaves me to my second part here,
and I think this is the most vital, imperative and important and crucial thing,
and its something I have to say is what is unique about the far leftists,
AND THAT IS
CONSCIOUSNESS.
And I'm talking a true gut consciousness, in the far left its class,
to nationalists its that national consciousness,
but what We need, is a HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS on a level that is so deep, so strong, so unshakeable, that in no way in hell,
would we stand in Any hesitation to stand fully opposed, ANY MEANS NECESSARY, to wage war against Islam.
THATS THE CONSCIOUSNESS THAT WE LACK, and I mean, by WE, the opposing voices against Islam.
There IS a mental assent, but not by far, by MAJORITY, a true sense of violation of human consciousness, BECAUSE IF THERE WAS,
WHEN THOSE JIHADISTS GET IN THOSE STREETS IN UK AND START DEMANDING SHARIA WHICH IS ENSLAVEMENT OF ALL,
THOSE WITH CONSCIOUSNESS WOULD DRAG THEIR BODIES DOWN THE STREET AND THERE WOULD BE BLOOD...
and all the cries of racism would not even matter, they wouldn't even wince at such attacks,
because ONCE one has a TRUE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THEIR HUMAN WORTH, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL, THEY WILL INTERNALIZE, GIVE ASSENT TOO, AGREE OR CONCUR ON ANY PART, COMPROMISE OR APOLOGIZE OR BE TIMID IN ANY WAY,
and yes, they Would resort to Violence to overthrow if necessary those forces that work to keep them in CHAINS.
And Thats, something I did learn in the left, which is why women, who Have that consciousness that they aren't second class or sub human get into militant feminism or why workers who do work hard and know they are exploited Do rise up and join the leftists,
its the level of CONSCIOUSNESS, not just a mental knowledge but something DEEP INSIDE A HUMAN BEING, THAT SAYS, I DESERVE MORE BECAUSE I AM HUMAN AND THIS FORCE OR REGIME OR PERSON OR GENDER OR WHO EVER DOES NOT HAVE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO ENSLAVE ME,
and the reason Consciousness is far more powerful, take the example of Fanon's "Wretched of the Earth", when that Colonization of the mind, was violently rejected in the African soul there was no force powerful enough to keep them enslaved,
That type of consciousness...we are Getting that yes, but as majority we are NO where near that,
too many simply look at the threat of Islam as losing 'rights' but its SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST LOSING RIGHTS,
ITS THE VERY REAL THREAT OF ENSLAVEMENT ON A LEVEL THAT THE CHAINS ARE NOT JUST PHYSICAL...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SUFFOCATING OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT ON SUCH A LEVEL THAT DEATH,
WOULD BE DESIRED.
When one gets That level of consciousness, when Humanity gets that level,
Islam won't have a chance in hell, because people will do Anything necessary to rid the world of the slavery plague.
And that would include going after all those agencies of power that have allied with Islam to enslave us all,
and Yes, it would mean violence, it would Require violence, on That I am convinced of because violence on that level in the Jihadist movement
one can't reason it away. And we had these arguments in the far left, because of the knowledge of what that violence can turn into, and Yes there is that very real risk, its ugly, its evil, its dark,
that violence driven by misery, not talking about violence driven by greed for conquest and power, NO, I'm talking about that violence that, primitive lashing out once humans get to a point where its no more,
because there ISN'T ANYTHING TO LOSE OTHERWISE--ITS ALL BEEN LOST ANYWAY.
That is Why Africans, during decolonization did unleash some of the most horrid violence against the colonizers as Fanon said, because they had already been driven so low, so debased that they were so inhuman due to the brutal treatment for years and years of slavery that, what did they have to lose?
WHEN THAT LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS IS REACHED, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO STOPPING IT,
the Reason women, have not risen up in violence against misogynist oppression, such as in Islam is because its internalized, well same for patriarchy but once those mental chains are completely severed,
no woman would tolerate rape, she's react in violence, and I mean brutal violence...which is why its so shocking when a woman does, because its so mentally accepted that its to be expected for women to be treated that way--that internalization even of women...
which is Why despots diminish the human capacity to think, to question, why they 'program' one into that Stockholm Syndrome of internalization and identifying with the oppressor, once generations get to that point they don't even question their oppression...
but if they ever get that consciousness then thats when that violence inside starts to rise and get enough of it and the power hegemony is in trouble...
so that is WHY THE GOVERNMENTS ARE USING THOSE SUBTLE 'INTERNALIZATION' TACTICS,
USING THE RACE CARD IS A BIG ONE
and it works...look at quick many are soon to step back and go, hey wait, I'm not racist, etc.,
they Gotcha, thats the whole MIND GAME, and the colonization of the mind is already in force...
see the NAZI'S AND BNP, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE RACE CARD---IT WON'T WORK WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ONLY RACIST THEY ARE PROUD OF IT,
so there IS NO ABILITY TO COLONIZE THEIR MINDS AND RENDER THEM INCAPABLE OF VIOLENT REVOLT--
and it is Why in both the United States [this whole election has been nothing but the Race card played for Obama] and the far left is NOTORIOUS FOR USING IT,
THATS THE FIRST THING THEY PULL OUT TO SHUT DOWN WOMEN'S RIGHTS ADVOCATES AND HUMAN RIGHTS, ITS NOT THE 'CLASS ENEMY' ANYMORE, ITS THE RACE CARD,
which btw, is another reason WHY the far left won't argue or they will run like a mother fucker when you use LEFT CLASS DIALECTICS TO OPPOSE THEIR SUPPORT OF ISLAM BECAUSE ISLAM IS CAPITALIST AS HELL,
and they damn well know it too. And I don't just mean capitalist like here in the states but a Feudalist even, and the leftists don't like any touching on those issues--why they Always, seriously, prove me wrong,
when you bring it up, they'll IMMEDIATELY THROW UP SAUDI ARABIA AND THE US ALLIANCES/TRADE DEALS WITH THEM AND WITH OMAN/KUWAIT--blame it on US capitalism,
and BECAUSE there isn't a strong class consciousness [true class] anymore there isn't that momentum of power to confront the Imperialism of Islam...but now using Race,
because of third world and history of colonization and globalization, the left has been able to use that race card quite well--
exploiting white guilt and white nation guilt for colonization and of slavery---
again though--NAZI'S you can throw that up at them and they don't give a shit--WHY TO THE LEFT ALLIES OF ISLAM THEY ARE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS...
because they CANNOT BE CONTROLLED and COLONIZED by the Islamic agenda, Used maybe, Yes,
colonized, no way.
And you Know something, it Might take, some 'race knowledge', seriously, not in the EXTREMES that is it in Nazism, not what I am saying, but it might take some race pride, at least on some level,
AND cultural pride and national pride, to ward off that guilt [real or imposed guilt] colonization and those internalizations to where,
like the Nazi's, we just don't give a fuck what race cards they pull out...
because we are at that level of consciousness that there is no way in hell we'll assent even minutely to any Thought of submission or retreat, no way,
because it would just be Unthinkable, to even imagine living under the slavery of Islam, on Any form or level.
We need a cult de force to fight Islam, its not enough to just talk about it or to try to work within the system,
THE SYSTEM IS WORKING WITH ISLAM TO ENSLAVE US.
KNOW SOMETHING, ANOTHER THING I HAVE TAKEN FROM THOSE YEARS IN FAR LEFT--EVERY ONE OF THOSE RICH SONS OF BITCHES AND BITCHES IN THE EU AND IN AMERICA AND IN THOSE TRANSNATIONAL BUSINESSES AND EMPIRES,
HAVE A PLACE TO GO--TO RUN, RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE MOST WEALTHIEST REGIONS ON EARTH--RULED BY ISLAM, DUBAI, KUWAIT, UNITED EMRATES,[sic] ETC., the DEVELOPMENT IN DUBAI,
IS NOT FOR US, ITS FOR THEM, THOSE IN EU, THOSE HIGH END BUSINESSES IN ENGLAND, YES ENGLAND, IN RUSSIA, CHINA, AMERICA,
ITS FOR THEM...
while they sell us out.
Treason, its on such a level its NOT even funny...and it Will get to a point, just as it always does, where the elites will have those places to flee, while they make the blood money deals with the Islamists,
while they move in to enslave us all...they'll have us surrounded on all sides, so to get to that point they have to do several things,
one, colonize the mind or create environment of such fear that no one will resist or speak out,
two, and this should have been number one, they'll have to purge all and any groups that are a cult of force--violent enough to be a real threat, so you Will see not only the race card being used but used as a means of putting those cults of forces behind bars and believe me, it won't be long till they just dissappear,
there will be no trace of them...
third, conformity, they are already doing this, mass conformity, through subtle means,
and here's why Religion alone won't do it, there is too much pacifism in religion...by itself its not a threat,
now Zionism,is, and why the left and Islam hates it so much...because Zionists HAVE THAT LEVEL OF
CONSCIOUSNESS.
They'll fight to the death and they don't care if they are called Nazi's even...they'll fight to the death,
because they KNOW what it is to be hunted down like dogs, to be oppressed and dehumanized simply because of who they are,
Westerners Don't truly know what that is, they Know what it is to have freedom threatened, yes, but they don't really know, as a majority, except for people of color, but they don't know what it is,
to live every day, being dehumanized and under a system of slavery, on many forms, simply because they are second class--to those in power,
and even taking those examples, it would be wise for all here, to do some reading on the Reason why Bolivia, during Che, why they didn't adhere to the peasant rebellion and why they turned on Che--because they still had that mental assent, they didn't have that consciousness,
like they did in Cuba...
that consciousness if very important. Without it, people will surrender,
or wait for God or governments to save them...
I wasn't kidding when I said the need for revolution is quite clear, and it doesn't necessary mean violent revolution--at least not yet,
I do think it may come to that...and It will mean, sacrifice, it will mean horror, suffering, and death.
But its like I've said so many times to those feminists who just refuse to even think of violence to fight extreme misogyny, because the first thing they say is, they'll kill us,
that fear,
and I say, sister, they raping and killing you anyway.
Either you resist and fight, or you die. Its really that simple, and its amazing how many women [using this as example] but how many will rise up and kill to protect their children,
but not for themselves, because not only those internalizations [and they are deep] but the society's embraced misogyny that says women are not to fight back if raped/tortured, maimed, etc.,
its why violent porn isn't even winced at by most and why even some women don't even oppose it--rather they rationalize it away [and by violent porn, for those of you who don't know, I'm talking those films made of actual gang rapes, tortures, killings of children and women],
and its a huge industrial complex, that is socially 'protected' btw,
that acceptance that its o.k. to dehumanize women...is very real and alive and it will continue to be so until women as a majority get that consciousness to where they will no longer assent in any form to that,
[and btw, why the male hater card is also just as effective or femi-nazi card--same damn way the race card is effective],
or why the poor are lazy card is effective, any card used to create submission and assent to the status quo,
it can be used in many ways, including establishing totalitarianism, via Islam.
The Mistake that BNP makes, from a Political and Guerrilla warfare point of view--perspective/analysis is that they plaster everything on the net--that website of their's, that heretic.com or whatever,
is just begging for prosecution, in other words, its almost like handing it to the gov forces to go after them--not too smart, really,
not in England, not with the Archbishop and that Hazel somebody, and the EU in bed with the most fundamentalists of Jihadists, and they ARE IN BED WITH THEM, NO DOUBT,
people in England are going to have to get smart and go underground and form a RESISTANCE,
and I mean a cult of force, just like the Resistance forces in France and Italy during WWII and the Nazi Occupations
because what we have in England, is an ISLAMIC OCCUPATION,
and I'm afraid we will have one very soon in the US of A.
in other words people, ITS TIME TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT THIS SHIT,
BECAUSE IT IS WAR...NOT JUST IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN, THIS IS A WAR BEING WAGED AGAINST US, AGAINST ALL INFIDELS.
AND WE ARE BEING HANDED OVER BY THOSE IN POWER [MOST, NOT ALL], AND by that I'm not just referring to government, I'm talking the money trail,
right and left, for a global economic system--OR basically,
those elites saving their asses, just like the elites did during colonization, those natives who joined in and sold the rest out, they were given special protective 'status',
and if there is anything we can take from groups like the BNP, its their level of consciousness, though not saying to adapt to their ideology, no, but to their not giving a damn what the enemy [or their enemy] says because they are That convinced they are right...
so when the race card is thrown at them they just laugh, it doesn't Work on them, and why the UK gov wants them purged and done away with--
and why in America they'll want the far right purged and done away with and any who have consciousness of freedom or human rights--
its time to stop caving, get really strong inside, because we haven't even begun to see the war yet--oh, and that is also why, they'll hand over the apostates and those few moderate Muslims because they too are a threat--they can't be fooled by the taqiyya,
if People haven't started learning warfare--they need to do so, and NOW,
and you'll know just how deep colonization of the mind is when you mention the level of seriousness and someone says,
you're overreaction or thats reactionary...
and why allies are needed--solidarity, and Strategy. Relying on the old American libertarian strategy won't cut it either,
because this is a type of guerrilla and pysops warfare that is very powerful--and the more one knows how its done, well,
the more you see whats going on, thats another reason they are going to clamp down on these nationalist groups--they know those strategies, and they can point them out blindfolded,
but know something,
so do some of us far lefters or leftists who haven't been duped by the Islamist agenda/and those allied with them, we too know how that shit works too. the one advantage that we have, is that we are a minority and not deemed a threat--
but I'm sure I'm on the shit list--but like the Nazi's, I don't give a fuck. Death would be an honor fighting those Islamists,
you have to get that consciousness on That level...down and dirty, just like them. At least, on a mental level...
Natasha
Pastorius,
Speaking of good politicians,
Frontpagemag did a second interview with the anti Sharia candidate Vijay Kumar.
HERE YOU GO ENGLAND,
YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME TO WATCH--AND SEE,
WHO IS SELLING YOU OUT, FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TjeyzsUmTs
slavery http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHK48oPAoM
damien,
while I concur with Vijay Kumar on several points, I have to bring up a few where, well,
for one, remember he is from middle class, like he said, not from the lower caste, and two,
free market absolutely Loves the caste system--its the cheapest labor there is, not only that, but the caste system, esp where women are concerned,
provide ample opportunities for rich American women to pay these poor and I do mean poor women for babies...exploiting the shit out of these women...not only that, don't Even get me started on the exploitation of women AND CHILDREN via free market in the sex industry.
You could immerse India in free market, they would still have the caste system even more so--
However, on the Maoists Marxists, Vijay is dead on right, I have a very close friend whose parents are high up in the Marxist party of India and its NOT that Marxism is in agreement with the conservatism, in fact in theory the two are diabolically opposed,
BUT, in India like many other places, including even Stalin cuzz he did the same damn thing--why he hated Trotsky for bringing this up, but they [the male leaders in the politburos] take the parts they like, the class warfare and ownership of the economy via the state [Lenin, not Marx btw, that was Lenin's theory],
and the rest, they simply, dump, why, why not have control over the economy AND have your cake too, your women as slaves/as Property,
have their cake and eat it too, and Thats why the Marxists-Maoists in India are all too happy to tolerate the conservatism,
the Women in the left in India have been fighting these male chauvinist pigs in the far left for years, and just like the leftists here, they get lip service.
And its also why the Marxist parties, especially the nationalist Marxist parties--which Maoist was a nationalist communism--will align with the Islamists,
and yes, they are totalitarian because they are also nationalist, and why, the Workers will never have any rights in those regimes because labor is just another 'property' just like women under that form of Marxism, nationalist Marxism, and its even worse under North Korea who took that nationalist Marxism and gave it a religious-eastern belief to it as well. Jungism I think is the term...
but, one thing I strongly have to disagree with is that Free Market in America [which truly is corporatist, not free], is NOT why we have pluralism or freedom here,
its because we have a CONSTITUTION AND A BILL OF RIGHTS,
NOT because we have capitalist market. In fact Thomas Jefferson WARNED about the hierarchies and elitism that would come with capitalism, and he was correct.
And the reason why we have any rights whatsoever is because of the Constitution--not because of business,
if Anything, business has done more to erode those Bill of Rights than anything, here in the west--
good example: Reagan's idea that free market would democratize China,
well, Has it?
NO, in fact, not only has it increased slave labor AND TRAFFICKED SLAVE LABOR but its backed up the Holocaust in Sudan, the backing of Jihadists and the arms backing of Iran.
Free market invests millions in Iran, Dubai and Saudi Arabia...don't see them becoming free do you?
Bottom line is, its not the economy or types of markets, its the Written in Stone Bill of Rights and/or Human Rights that says no one has the right to enslave and that humans have rights under God or the Creator, and When those rights are respected,
then there is freedom. And the truth is, slavery can exist very well under free market--just as it can under a centralized one,
one has individuals with monopoly of capital and the other the centralized state or regime or junta with monopoly over capital--including labor in that capital,
still the same damn pyramid--just different methods in enforcing that trickle UP method.
And the hypocrisy in the whole free market ideology is that, it it truly was about 'freedom' then it would be fair trade, respecting of human rights within that barter or exchange, not exploitation,
working in partnership as boss and worker or as worker to worker or as they do in South Korea and in parts of Japan, company to company--where companies are like families, competing with other family companies [the way they are set up] and in fact they do much better than monopolies run by elites and robber barons,
its no coincidence that the most vocally opposed to Fair Trade, meaning, no tolerance for slavery, human right abuses of workers, and I do mean chained slavery, even rape and imprisoning of workers,
is those who are the loudest proponents of free market. Free for who?
Not the slaves, thats for damn sure,
and its why Islam, loves the free market and can move very easily and establish itself very easily using those principles--talk about a pyramid--Islam is great at those pyramids,
what economies need is a worker's bill of rights, that would do a lot to nip the enslavement and exploitation and deliberate feminization of poverty of millions,
he is right about the refusal of the far left to look at flaws or their propensity to sweep abuses under the rug--but so does the west, they also do the same,
its not until there is a huge revolt possible that they'll budge or when the bottom hits, like in the depression and a real threat of communism,
the answer lies not in the who owns capital, its the need for Human rights of labor, included in the Bill of Rights--
if there is human rights there can be no room for exploitation either way, by those who own capital or those who organize such as unions, etc., those central forces that truly only mean to prop themselves up at the top of the pyramid making all into slaves,
work is necessity, a part of life, and just as is incentive and development or states and economies go stagnate [and why the applied communism/or socialism, that central ownership with Still no Bill of Rights for Workers fails every time] because it goes stagnate, no new life, no new creation,
but it happens in free markets too when they become monopolized to the point where only those with capital own and there is no room for that caste, no upward mobility for those caste at bottom,
it too, goes stagnates and busts.
Unless, there is others to exploit--BOTH NEED EXPANSIONISM which is contrary to
FREEDOM.
Why I strongly disagree with both extremes and why I feel strongly that we need new ideologies and solutions, rather than just spinning the wheel over and over,
but as far as patriarchy and conservativism and caste systems go,
they actually thrive better oppressive wise under free market--because then there is no means for those at the bottom to do anything to escape slavery,
what I call free market with a gun.
Thats not free--its just a market with the means to exploit with nothing to stop it...and its no better than communism 'market' wise,
you still have people in bread lines,
and they aren't all lazy either [thats the card the status quo likes to pull out, but its a bullshit lie],
and its Also why, the free market is the number one supporter of illegal immigration,
job outsourcing and job insourcing. And if it means alliances with Jihadists for a buck, so be it...as long as they can produce cheaply and maintain that Wealth of Nations.
on the backs of slaves of course, wage slaves or non-wage...the cheaper the labor the better...
the problem is, the middle class isn't feeling it enough quite yet, give it about five years, and you'll see just how Free you are in a free market that can prosper in democracy or totalitarianism...because those who own capital,
will still be at top and most likely, with those Jihadists on top with them.
;)
when you're at the bottom and there is no mobility, doesn't matter who's at the top--its still slavery,
that is why in this country, you are free, yes, but you are More free if you have the money to pay for that freedom...it can be bought and sold like anything else,
because Freedom isn't about Money,
its about a principle, a belief, and money can sell it out just as fast as totalitarians can--greed doesn't care, if it profits with your blood spilled.
natasha @ 10:12:00 PM
Thanks for the Dubai YouTube link. That one has gone straight into my favorites!
To return the favour, here's an oil money video for you:
http://www.ft.com/cms/bfba2c48-5588-11dc-b971-0000779fd2ac.html
Hmm. So, only oil and BANKS (???) have made huge money in the last 6 months ...
thank you alan I'll look at it and add to it,
I also have tons of links to the trafficking of workers-well, slaves, both in labor and in sex slavery,
to Dubai, on You Tube there is a six part series, and here is what is So horrific,
they did videos, look at Who is paying to use these sex slaves?
It isn't Arabs, well, some yes, but the tourists and the business--from America and Europe,
same thing in South America and in Central America too--
and that blackmarket industry--pays mega into the arms sold to,
thugs like you see in Sudan or Palestine. Its corruption anyway you look at it,
$$$$ching ching can you see green$$$$, its probably no coincidence why Jihadists lay claim to the color of Green,
green with red especially--green for the monies and red for the blood spilled,
Damien I do think the work that Vijay Kumar is beneficial and on a lot I totally concur with him, but looking at things from a human rights and Especially women's human rights lens,
I just have too much research and years of work seeing just how free market is just as exploitive and horrendous as the far left is,
and I think its the lack of a Bill of Rights for workers, and while Marx had some good ideas, with good intent,
where he missed it, was that he saw it Only in terms of workers and in materialism, in other words,
you could have workers actually owning the means of production but WITHOUT A BILL OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND BILL OF RIGHTS, THOSE CHECKS AND BALANCES,
you'll get the same abuses or worse.
And a Worker's Bill of Human Rights would not mean that workers can turn and exploit or take advantage, thats been the problems with unions [and the corruption of],
because in unions [well, in America], there has also been that monopoly of labor power to hold businesses hostage, in the end that doesn't work well for workers either,
in Europe, good analysis I think on this was Angelica Balanfunoff (sic) when she said once the workers got what they wanted [skilled or trade] it was to hell with everyone else--this is why some of the more hard core left rejects unionism and wants total control, to prevent self-interests,
well, we have similar issues here with self-interest groups with masses of capital, and they have the political power,
in other words, there is always rooms for abuses, and in some more than others and yes on that I concur with him because in the far left theory and especially in the party apparatus there has never been that check on power,
and there is serious flaws in the organization of state economy that till this day, they don't want to look at--they are stuck in this fricking 1917 mindframe,
I think too, as long as there is this hanging on to enslaving half of the human race or holding them second class--as private property of men, we won't ever resolve or come close to resolving that tendency towards a caste system,
whether via religion or via economics or political.
If one is allowed to hold another human hostage or forced dependency [esp economically], then, slavery has freedom to expand, one form or another,
but people need to remember, the Reason we have the Freedom or at least the Ideal of freedom in the west, had Nothing to do with the Wealth of Nations,
it was capital that brought slavery over to America...[colonies--that expanding of labor, free labor],
it was the principles carved on paper, even though it was, and this is important, rights for White men who owned Property,
but the Principle of Freedom, of equal rights and liberty for all,
was the Foundation that was the cornerstone of
abolitionists
women's rights
worker's rights [oh yes]
citizen rights, etc.,
it didn't materialize overnight or without a fight--and it was often the monopoly of Resources that was the Gun behind the forces that wanted to maintain that gender or racial hierarchy in this country,
but those principles were there, and eventually those principles were the strength,
but the Danger in relying on markets for freedom, is that,
its very very easy, to rationalize or justify enslavement for profit--under free market,
and that, is contrary to the principle of freedom and human rights.
Work is necessity, no doubt, and yes, some don't have the incentive or the same motivations, granted,
but never, should those realities be a base or foundation to rationalize slavery,
if we embrace those, then we are very similar to the rational of Islamists,
they say they are superior due to their god,
its no different for those who claim superiority due to their wealth and power gained by,
and its why those with the lust to abuse power and greed are more than happy to exchange 'slaves' or sell 'slaves' to the other, even if they are enemies,
they'll put that aside, while they line their pockets.
Nothing wrong with prosperity, but I do think there is something diabolically wrong with prosperity when there are masses that are dying or masses that are brutalized to work for that prosperity--
and I've met those women who have worked in those LABOR CAMPS for GAP clothing, and thats what they are, labor camps, for Free Market and Free Trade,
I've met men who've had fathers shot for organizing unions [El Salvador] just so they aren't locked in and forced to work for weeks without sleep,
that isn't freedom, thats slavery.
They aren't lazy people by no means, or amoral, I've met them, face to face,
and I've heard the free market pushers use every excuse to justify that shit,
while they get into their high dollar cars to their million dollar homes,
and these people are locked in, labor camps, forced to work for little to no wages and I'm talking cents a day, If that, women who are raped by middle management and it might as well just be the
Work for your Freedom concentration camps in Germany during Hitler--same damn thing,
Hitler loved capitalism too...
oh did he, as long as it suited him.
So, I have to speak up when I hear or read the free market is what gives us freedom, because NO, it doesn't, what gives us freedom is that piece of paper fought for with Blood, by those fleeing, many, those feudalist slavery systems,
that Constitution,
and that alone. And if the forefathers of Freedom say how we were being sold out to day for capitalism,
I think they'd be overthrowing some money changer tables similar to the way Jesus did...there is a lot about free market I concur with,
but there is a lot about it I don't, and I think, there is need for taking whats good about both the right and left in regards to economics,
and coming up with something new, with what we know today. Especially in respect to human rights...there is absolutely NO reason that we should be tolerating
workers abuses or abuses to women or children in this day and age, and that includes tolerance for profit,
no excuse whatseover.
Natasha
Director of WAMI
Natasha,
I clearly don't agree with your politics. However this might not be the best place to argue about that. but, just out of curiosity, did you read vijay kumar's first interview with frontpagemag, also post here on the Infidel Bloggers Alliance? I was the one who first brought him to Pastorius' attention.
Vijay Kumar For Congress
Lefties always want to blame capitalism for the abuses perpetrated by corporations in corrupt (read lawless) third-world thugocracies and communist enclaves.
Well I would hope there is some agreement on human rights, including those of workers,
because there are violations of even here in the United States, not just in thugocracies,
but point IS,
why do business with thug countries that you KNOW ABUSE WORKER'S HUMAN RIGHTS?
AND IF SO, ITS THE SAME THING, WITH SUPPORTING THUG COUNTRIES THAT ARE ISLAMIC,
either have some ethics or don't.
And thats Really what it boils down too, is Ethics,
and got news for you, its not just leftists who blame capitalists, its capitalists who blame capitalists,
and its Not really about left verse right, its always Manipulated that way, but if you really look at it from a human rights point of view, its not,
and yes, there is and WHY I INCLUDED IT, abuses to workers in the left--under socialism and communism especially, Because as I said,
doesn't matter, if its individual ownership or CENTRALIZED STATE OWNERSHIP, UNLESS THERE IS A BILL OF RIGHTS FOR WORKERS,
doesn't matter, the abuse of power ALWAYS RESULTS.
and just to show you, the first to be sacrificed during the Bolsheviks in power, WERE THE WORKER'S COMMITTEES,
because whether most realize it or not, Worker's rights are a Threat just as much to centralized governments, that is Why you don't see Chavez or Castro allowing
autonomous worker's unions outside the control of the politburo,
and thats one fact that most in left Don't get. I think it has a lot to do, with how one looks at these issues depending on where they sit,
and Yes, men AREN't going to look at it the same way as women [and married privilege women won't look at it the same way either],
BUT REGARDLESS--it doesn't matter, because if we are under Islam,
you'll be just as much of a slave as I would be eh,
and thats whats more important right now, I do think however we need to be aware of how business is also selling us out to Islamists, business interests, for profit,
because its both, right and left, some for profit, some for power, either way,
from where I sit, we just a bunch of ole peasants who don't really have the means to fight shit unless we pull it together...
on that, we can be agreed on, right?
Natasha
Natasha,
There are violations here. The answre is law. We are a nation of laws under our Constitution.
The answer in other countries is regime change. So, maybe we should go and invade those countries, depose their leaders and rewrite their constitutions the way we did to Japan and Germany, and the way we should have done to fucking Iraq and Afghanistan.
Please do not come on IBA and blame the United States for all the bad, corrupt, lawless governments in the world.
That is bullshit as far as I am concerned.
Pastorius,
I definitely concur with what you wrote. The United States is too often blamed for things it had nothing to do with.
Last time I checked greed had no nationality or ideology
It is greed which always lends itself to blame as if it were PROPERTY the basic idea of capitalism, and without which there would be NO freedom.
None.
Greed is not property.
Greed always ends in corruption.
State authority to arrogate property from private individuals ALWAYS ends up as OFFICIAL GREED, with the right of violence of the state on its side.
That's why we have a 2nd amendment.
Offensive hate speech
From http://newportcity.blogspot.com/2007/10/some-various-bad-taste-jokes.html
What's the difference between Basil Brush and a suicide bomber?
A suicide bomber only goes BOOM once.
Two moslems go into a club....Boom boom...
Al-Qaeda accidently recruited a dyslexic into their ranks.
They now have the worlds first suicide bummer.
The Glasgow car bomber got let off on the terrorism charge.
But don't worry they got him for smoking in public!
A Muslim woman knocked on my front door last night - I spoke to her through the letterbox............ See how she fucking likes it!
An Arab buys a camel and he proudly decides to ride it around his local pub carpark, causing a bit of a stir with the local drinkers.
"Nice camel mate," One of the drinkers commented, "Is it male or female?"
"It's female!" said the Arab.
"How can you tell?" said the drinker.
"Well," the Arab explained, "on the way here today, at least twenty people yelled out,'Hey, Look at the dirty, smelly cunt on that camel!"
Why is the camel called the ship of the desert?
Because it's full of Arab semen.
It is the year 2032, and a father and his son walk the streets of lower Manhattan. Approaching the site where the World Trade Center used to be in the end of the 20th century, the father sighs and comments, "to think that right here used to be the Twin Towers..."
The son, not understanding, asks his father "What are the Twin Towers?" The father smiles and looks at the son, and explains, "The Twin Towers were two huge buildings that used to be here until 2001, when the Arabs destroyed them."
The son looks up to his father, and asks, "And what are the Arabs?
How does a shoe bomber walk?
Fucking carefully is my guess.
An illegal migrat went into a bar and asked "Could you recommend your finest port?"
"Yes," said the barman. "Dover. Now fuck off."
How do you get rid of the red spot on an illegal migrants head?
Switch off the laser-sight on your gun.
Asylum seeker at the side of the road eating grass. Man pulls up in his car and says "Hey! Don't eat that. Come home with me and I'll feed you."
The asylum seeker replies "I have 4 wives and 12 kids, can they come too?"
Man says "Fuck off, I've only got a small lawn!"
What's the difference between E.T and an asylum seeker?
E.T looked better, learnt English, wanted to go home and gave the fucking bike back.
What have sperm and immigrants got in common?
Millions of the bastards get in but only one of the fuckers works!
Raj was trying to get into the U.K legally. The officer said "You have to pass a test to enter. You must make a sentance using the words Yellow, Pink and Green."
Raj replied "De telephone goes 'Green Green' - 'Green Green', den I pink it up and say "Yellow"
Raj now works in a call centre near you!
Good news - the BBC has just reported that record numbers of people are leaving the UK.
The bad news is most of them are white.
What does Tehran have in common with Hiroshima?
Nothing yet.
three guys ... a Canadian farmer, Osama bin Laden, and an British engineer are walking together one day. They come across a lantern and when they pick it up a Genie pops out.
"I will give each of you one wish, which is three wishes total" says the Genie.
The Canadian says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my son will also farm. I want the land in Canada to be forever fertile."
POOOOF! With a blink of the Genie's eye, the land in Canada was forever made fertile for farming.
Osama bin Laden was amazed at this display, so he said, "I want an impenetrable wall to be set up around Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran with all believers of Mohammad inside and all Jews, Americans, British and other infidels forever outside our precious state."
POOOOF! Again, with the blink of the Genie's eye, a huge wall appeared around those countries. The British engineer asks, "I am very curious. Please tell me more about this wall." The Genie explains, "Well, it's 5,000 feet high, 500 feet thick and completely surrounds these countries ... it's virtually impenetrable.
Now what is YOUR wish?"
The British engineer smiles, and says, "Fill it with water."
British weather, it's just like a Muslim, either Sunni or Shi'ite.
A car bomb has been found outside a Mosque in London.
Scotland Yard have stated that the public have nothing to worry about as they've managed to push it inside!!
A Muslim in our street has doused himself in petrol, set fire to himself and burnt to death.......
We're having a collection for his family...
So far, we've got 80 litres!!!
Did you hear about the Muslim strip club? It features full facial nudity!
Police ask the driver of the Virgin train that crashed what caused the accident.
"Muslims." he replied.
"What," said the copper, "on the track?"
"No, On the embankment but I still got the cunts !"
How many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb? None! They sit in the dark forever and blame the Jews for it!
A Muslim man has just driven his car into the retaining wall of the Sheffield Reservoir.
Police believe it may be the start of Ramadam.
What do you call a first-time offender in Saudi Arabia?
Lefty!
How many muslims does it take to change a lightbulb?
None. Their faith doesn't allow change.
I've found another place where you can find over 75,000 Muslim jokes!
It's called Bradford.
Little Ahmed says to his little sister Geeta, "Let's play doctors and nurses".
Little Geeta says, "Where are we going to get petrol and gas cannistors at our age".....
Whats the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead muslim?
Theres no skid marks before the muslim
Two Muslim women are walking down the road with tight fitting rucksacks, when one says to the other "does my bomb look big in this?"
Scientists have warned that 260,000 muslims could die as a result of global warming.
On a more serious note, Douglas from the Lurpack adverts has melted.
Pastorius,
WOW, I think this post of yours may hold the record for the most comments on the Infidel Bloggers Alliance. This site rarely has more than twenty.
No, we've had some that stretched into the hundreds.
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/02/infidel-bloggers-alliance-mohammed_04.html
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/10/we-hate-fucking-bnp.html
I guess the more you insult someone's sacred cow, the more comments you get.
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